tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post1503094363856232224..comments2023-10-11T03:58:48.429-07:00Comments on Gospel of Hockey: Mr. Nice... Corsi NumbersScott Reynoldshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05735545121522530577noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-69583732408535179842009-04-29T19:29:00.000-07:002009-04-29T19:29:00.000-07:00It would seem that at least some of their outshoot...<I>It would seem that at least some of their outshooting has been a strategic choice and that lower percentages might be expected</I>.<br /><br />Hear, hear, Scott. Outshooting in and of itself is overrated. This year the outshooting team took 52.6% of available points, the outshot team 47.4%, and that is typical of recent years. There is an advantage to outshooting, but it's not a ginormous one. <br /><br />Consistent with MacT's entire tenure, the Oilers once again posted a much worse record when they were the outshooting team (.460) than they did when they got outshot (.536). Good thing they only outshot their opponents 25 times in 2008-09. :)Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01190620732067746768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-18776360311647470962009-04-21T06:13:00.000-07:002009-04-21T06:13:00.000-07:00I largely agree that Renney would be able to handl...I largely agree that Renney would be able to handle the room in non-debacle fashion but Renney does have at time have his own scapegoats just as MacTavish did with Penner. The biggest example is probably Marek Malik. When he played he got the toughs and did reasonably well but he often got benched and it seemed like some of that may have been due to a rift with the coach. There was probably even a good reason for his frustration, but then again, there was probably good reason for a lot of MacTavish's frustrations as well.Scott Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735545121522530577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-5166007290076589182009-04-20T18:28:00.000-07:002009-04-20T18:28:00.000-07:00I think we could do worse than Renney. Given that ...I think we could do worse than Renney. Given that MacT seems to have aggravated the personal perhaps its time for Mr. Nice Guy to have everyone sing kumbaya and make smores for a while. If he can get them to actually outshoot their opponents and improve their territorial game that would clearly benefit the team, shooting would certainly help our anemic powerplay.<br /><br />I also kind of think Renney is unlikely to wind up being a dabacle. While the fact he's unlikely to screw things up too badly isn't a huge selling point it should be a consideration.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08628728347599057479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-16245449290143108082009-04-19T11:40:00.000-07:002009-04-19T11:40:00.000-07:00Yeah, the Zone Start is what I meant when I said Z...Yeah, the Zone Start is what I meant when I said Zone Shift. Sometimes my brain and my fingers don't line up.Scott Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735545121522530577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-45968093178328616712009-04-19T09:55:00.000-07:002009-04-19T09:55:00.000-07:00I should add that I do think Scott's correct when ...I should add that I do think Scott's correct when he calls the Rangers a shot-happy team. I do think Renney is also one of the more territorial-oriented coaches out there, and that doesn't hurt the shot totals either.<br /><br />And Coach is right, I was referring just to Zone Start, where the Rangers had 280 more offensive zone than defensive zone draws.Jonathan Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13939434026697781276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-39338206135562649192009-04-19T09:11:00.000-07:002009-04-19T09:11:00.000-07:00The ZoneShift numbers add a lot to the argument I'...The ZoneShift numbers add a lot to the argument I'd say. It suggests that there is real territorial advantage to go along with the Corsi advantage. Thanks for chiming in Jonathan.Scott Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735545121522530577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-21952540756187510892009-04-19T07:26:00.000-07:002009-04-19T07:26:00.000-07:00I don't know how much stock I put in Corsi alone, ...I don't know how much stock I put in Corsi alone, but combined with zonestart differential [which I think JW is talking about], it's meaningful. If you are dominating both ZD and CORSI, you're kicking ass or playing in the southeast.<br /><br />I'd just like to see EDM 31 - CAL 28 once in awhile. You know, instead of DAL 34 - EDM 21Coach pb9617https://www.blogger.com/profile/05868922507861734194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-64800888459943407142009-04-18T22:44:00.000-07:002009-04-18T22:44:00.000-07:00The Rangers absolutely dominated at ZoneShift this...The Rangers absolutely dominated at ZoneShift this year; way, way more offensive zone than defensive zone draws (I think they led the league at the time of Renney's firing).<br /><br />I'd be very happy to see Renney as the coach in Edmonton; I just don't think it will happen.Jonathan Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13939434026697781276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-53533391699214197372009-04-18T19:55:00.000-07:002009-04-18T19:55:00.000-07:00How much value do you think there is in outshootin...How much value do you think there is in outshooting Coach? Obviously I'd rather be taking more shots than my opponents, but do you think it's a good proxy for which team is carrying the play?Scott Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735545121522530577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-786169163374631693.post-3162270859302848952009-04-18T14:40:00.000-07:002009-04-18T14:40:00.000-07:00I wouldn't cry bloody murder if Renney were hired,...<I>I wouldn't cry bloody murder if Renney were hired, but I wouldn't be excited either</I>.<br /><br />Exactly. However, I would be happy that the Oilers would outshoot a team every once in awhile.Coach pb9617https://www.blogger.com/profile/05868922507861734194noreply@blogger.com